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New contact from Joe Stempien

Joe Stempien a former Polish Camp Kid contacted us through our Contacts page. Here is a copy of what we have so far communicated.

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https://www.petworthpolishcamp.com/

Message Details:

Your name: Joe Stempien

Subject: Petworth Park Reminiscence

Message: Hi Looking through Fridays Mail, I found an article on Stalag Sheffield. I am not implying anything sinister but the pictured Nissan Huts obviously sparked something in my earliest memories of childhood that our family lived in something similar until my 5th or 6th birthday. At which time we were relocated to a lovely village called Bury. I honestly do not recall much about living in Petworth but I am sure that some of your contacts may be able to help my memory. I do recall trying to swim in the lake and going to church. Best regards, Joe

Joe Stempien

09:54 (2 hours ago)

 to me

Good morning Richard.

Its a lovely day for golf so enjoy.

I also try, am a member at Cowdray Park and of all the sporting activities I play golf is the most frustrating.

Team sports are best because you can always blame your team mates if things go badly.

At golf unfortunately you can only blame yourself.

Yes of course you can share the email messages and enjoy next weeks holiday.

I have just returned from visiting USA southern states. Visited six of them, very interesting and extremely hot.

 

Best regards Joe

 

From: Ryszard Starzec

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 8:44 AM

To: Joe Stempien

Subject: Re: New message via your website, from 

 

Hi Joe 

Is it ok for me to share your email messages on the news page of our website? Tina and I are playing golf today.  And we are on holiday next week.

Regards Ryszard AKA Richard

 

 

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 11:30 Joe Stempien,  wrote:

Hi Ryszard

Many thanks for getting back to me.

Am currently living in Westergate so not a problem to meet up in Amberley.

We purchased the old family home in Bury after my father passed away in 1982.

Most of the family had fledged so mother was worried that she would be rehoused as only her and my youngest sister were living there.

We still own this property and my two sisters are currently living there.

I really do not remember seeing early photographs though.

However, I do recall seeing an old military style metal chest in the loft that I always assumed retained my fathers military memorabilia, probably worth investigating at some point.

 

Joe

 

From: Ryszard Starzec

Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 4:43 PM

To: Joe Stempien

Subject: Re: New message via your website, 

 

Hi Joe

I do remember you and your family and so do some of the others who helped to create this site. I am busy now but would like to meet you.

 

I live in Storrington and am a regular customer of the Bridge pub in Amberley

 

Do you have any old photos we could put up on the website and maybe tell your story?

 

Can we have a chat on the phone and arrange a drink somewhere. Are you still living in Bury?

 

Ryszard Starzec

On 8/21/2018 4:30 PM, Ryszard Starzec wrote:

Dear David

You have done it again, the mention of Mr. Pilbeam has jogged my memory. I remember the rent collector of that name and I am sure that I remember him coming to collect the rent from my parents in the house we moved to in Nell Ball Plaistow. Was he a tall man (everyone would look tall to a seven year old boy) with very pointed features and a bald head?

I remember so much from my childhood in the camp but I do find it hard to put things in order.

 

If you visit the website now you will see that I have put your first message onto our news page. I would like to do the same with this message and my response to it, in the hope that it jogs the memory of other Polish Camp Kids. I sincerely hope that you are in agreement with me so doing.

In my opinion your input has been invaluable, if you can think of anything else please let me know.

 

Miles Costello from the Petworth Society has asked me to draw a plan from my memory. I will try and do that but it is a tall order from a boy who left there in 1957 aged 7 years. In spite of that I will try and draw something up. Do you know if there were any plans of the layout.

 

This project has become a bit of a mission for me. I know that I have a limited time left on this Planet, and I would love to leave a good account of the Camp for the residents of Petworth and others to enjoy when I finally fall off the perch.

I am heartened by the sincere comments you make and your appreciation of the Polish people and their contribution to the country they decided to settle in.

 

 

Best regards

 

Ryszard Starzec

Home: 01903 745779

Mobile: 07836 239007

 

Dear Ryszard Starzec,


Thank you for your gracious message. I am sorry to have kept you waiting for a response.

I am not sure that I can add a great deal about the Petworth Polish camp. I was at Petworth in the mid-fifties and although I was working for Petworth Rural District Council, I had very little to do with the camp, itself. I did visit, there, a couple of times, as I recall, to collect rents. This I did, only when the regular collector, Mr. Pilbeam, was on holiday. I did the accounting, in the office, at Newlands, Pound Street, which was on the road to Chichester and opposite the road to Midhurst. On September 28th. 1957, my wife and I were married in the Isle of Wight, off the south coast. Before that I was lodging in The Wheatsheaf Public House. This was on the right of the road from Petworth town centre to the camp. It was almost opposite to St. Mary's Anglican Church.

After we married, my wife and I lived, for a year or so, at 13 Hampers Green. This was a Council housing estate, which was on th opposite side of the London Road from the Polish Camp. The access to Hampers Green was from the Gunter's Bridge road, which parted from the London Road just north of Petworth Common. We were members of the Hampers Green Drama Group, now known, I think, as Petworth Players. Later, we moved to Kingswood, near Bristol.

In Petworth, on the London Road, there was a Youth Centre, where we had various meetings. One of these groups, at least, was chaired by the "Lord of the Manor" who was, at that time, Mr. John Wyndham. He was a private secretary to Harold McMillen, the Prime Minister. I met him. He was the custodian of Petworth House. 

We had a happy time at Petworth where, at the PRDC, the Clerk of the Council was Frank Speed, a real country gentleman.

I have tried to fill you in with a few bits and pieces about Petworth. However, do please let me know if you have any questions with which I can help you. I and my family owe a great debt to the Polish people, especially from saving Cowes, our town (possibly our lives!), in WWII. I have also received great hospitality and kindness from Polish people, during my many visits to your country.

It would be nice to stay in touch.

With Love, Respect and Support,

David Jones

14th August 2018

I have just received this message from David C Jones in America I have replied to him and I have shown his message and my response to it below:-


To: starzecryszard@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2018, 18:27
Subject: New message via your website, from dcjones2@cox.net

 

    • Your name David C. Jones

    • Your email address mandatory dcjones2@cox.net

    • Subject The Polish Camp at Petworth

    • Message I am 83 years old and now live in USA. I was working at Petworth Rural District Council, when our Polish friends were being re-housed, in the mid-fifties. Earlier, in WWII, I was living in Cowes, Isle of Wight, when we were defended by the Polish destroyer Blyskawica. I and my family were eternally grateful for the bravery of our Polish allies and the determination of the captain and crew of the ship. Some of the Polish sailors married Cowes ladies, including one in our street.. My dad brought some of the Blyskawica crew to visit our home, as he was working at J.S.Whites, which built the ship. I have since seen the ship at Gdynia, in Poland, as I visited Poland, many times, for the World Bank, when I worked there as a financial analyst. Apart from Warsaw, I also visited Crakow, Lublin, Szezcin, and other cities. My sister, in the IOW, has participated in commemorations for the Blyskawica. God Bless our Polish friends, for whose courage and determination, we might not be alive to write this. Please write back, if you can.

  • Sent on: 14 August, 2018

  • Thank you!

My reply, hope you all agree with me.

Dear David

I am so thrilled with your message that I am going to put it on our news page. We have to get more information about the camp. Please bear in mind that the surviving children who met last Sunday were very young when the camp closed. It would be wonderful if we could get some more information regarding the layout and anything which might help us to give a better picture.

We are delighted that Petworth House have put a link to our website on their website. I would be most grateful if you could help us to with any information you can give us. It is a shame that we didn't start this project years ago. We must have lost a lot of information that could have been supplied by our parents. Thank you for your message, I love it.

Please feel free to contact me at anytime.

 

Ryszard Starzec 

 

starzecryszard@gmail.com 

 

Dear All

 

I have decided to make some changes to the website, I will explain why below:-

 

I have renamed the page called "The Team" to a "NEWS" page. All the information previously on the Team page is still there it has just become the oldest entry on the News Page. I have added a message about our Picnic on the 12th of August stating what we will do next. This news page will be there all the time and I will add your emails provided they are constructive, relevant and appropriate as  a running news feed for the website. 

For example I received two very nice messages from Stasha and Krystyna Saunders and will put them up on the News page. 

 

Stasha sent me the photos she took yesterday and I will keep them and show them soon, not sure how I will show them yet but most probable on a dedicated page about our Picnic. I am away from home at the moment and have been without a desktop and laptop for 3 days but  have just got a new Charger unit for my laptop courtesy of Amazon Prime of who I am the biggest fan as I hate shopping. So I am up and running again.

 

Please log onto the website http://www.petworthpolishcamp.com/ to see the changes I have made. 

 

This message has been posted to at least one member of the couples who attended yesterday. please check the list and inform me of anyone I may have forgotten.

 

It is my intention to compile another list of those people who have shown an interest in our project, for example Miles Costello and visitors who have shown an interest in our website. 

 

I will send out information of how we can all share the costs of keeping our website going for the next few years and produce a spreadsheet showing all cost and contributions. I believe we should cover the costs by paying a nominal amount each year which any surplus will be used to reduce the contributions for the following year.

 

Have a look and tell me what you think.

 

Best regards

 

Ryszard Starzec AKA Richard Starzec.

 

Here are the first messages from members posted on the 13th August 2018

Stasha Martin:

Dear All,

 

What a lovely day today turned to be!  Thanks are due in no small measure to Krysia Saunders (nee Krawczuk) and her husband Peter,  Ryszard Starzec (my brother) and Miles Costello.  It did rain as we gathered in the car park of Petworth Park, but nothing dampened our spirits, as we set off on our walk to our Camp site.  The only landmark left for us to gauge the location of our Nissen huts was the lake in which we used to swim and the ‘climbing tree’.    

 

It was nostalgic (I had not been back at all since moving away more than 60 years ago unlike some of you) and it was quite sad not to see any trace of our homes or the perimeter roads.  The surrounding wall looked the same, but that was all.  And, imagine, this was our playground!  We were lucky and we had an amazing childhood compared to many children after the war.   

 

Thank you Krysia and Ryszard for arranging the venue and date as well as all your communication to ensure attendance.  And producing that wonderful spread of Polish goodies and  delicious cake baked by Krysia.  Thank you Miles for the offer of the Community Centre in Hampers Green.  It was a life-saver as it wasn’t quite the picnic weather we had envisaged.  Thank you too for doing a piece on the Polish kids!  Don’t forget to ask anyone who might read your magazine and either lived with us, or remembers us to contact Ryszard with any memories.  We went to school in Petworth and knew a lot of local children. 

 

I was pleased that our brother, Tadeusz, was well enough to join us with Krystyna.  The leg is definitely on the mend Tadz, but take care and look after yourself.  And, best of all, it was so good to meet again Krysia Martin (nee Bandrowska) and Zoe Keane (nee Dulas) and to be able to have a natter and in a small way, catch up on all those years.  Zoe even brought along some photos.

 

As Ziggy remarked, it was difficult to find time to speak with everyone for any length of time, especially as there was food involved ...  but looking around at all of our smiling faces, a good time was had by all.   

 

I noticed how our partners, Peter, Julia, Tina, Paul (Lydia’s son) MIke and my husband Roger faded into the background allowing the Camp kids to have their ‘moment’ .  It was noticed and much appreciated.  Thank you very much for your support. 

 

Lydia has said she has some photos and a penned article for our web site.  I’m looking forward to it Lydia!   And I would encourage Zoe and Krysia to do one too.  We all have a story to tell, and it will be of interest to us all.  And Krysia was telling me she is an author of two books already!    As Ryszard said, lets leave something for posterity.   He also added "before we fall of our perches” but lets not go there!

 

See you all next year, if not before.

 

With fondest wishes to you all,

Stasha

Message from Krystyna Saunders.

Good morning everybody 
 

Thank you Stasha for your lovely message which reflect my feelings about yesterday, a truly special afternoon and extra special that Krysia Martin, your sister Krysia, Tadzio and Zoe came along too.   A very special thanks to our newest friend Miles for arranging 'shelter'; hopefully, he will be able to come along to future gatherings.  It all helps to keep our stories alive.
 

Take care of yourselves and all the best/Krysia and Peter Saunders 

Message From Krysyna Martin Nee Bandrowska

Honestly yesterday was something else. The weather certainly did nothing to dampen our spirits. I so loved meeting you all again. Very very special. I argued with Ziggy about the location of our “barrel” (Ziggy you were right!!!). Hm. Then caught up with Zofia which was lovely. Then chatted and chatted to you Stasiu and to your poor husband Roger caught in the middle of endless reminiscences. Goes for Zofia’s husband too. Did they go home with a headache and make an appointment to see a therapist to recover?  It was of course also wonderful to see Lydia and Krysia and her husband Peter, who really is very long suffering. And Krysia nee Starzec so delicate still and poor Tadzio- Get well soon!  I wish I had been able to speak more to Ryszard and his wife but felt that they probably had their hands full enough sorting out all the web details with Miles and talking compu-speak without Krysia Martin gabbling away in their ear. 

So thank you all, and especially to the always well organised hospitable Krystyna and Peter. 

Let’s meet sooner than next year. Maybe at mine if you can bear London. 

Krysia Martin. 

Second meeting of the Camp Kids 12th August 2018

Almost one year after our first meeting we arranged a Picnic in Petworth Park to catch up with what has happened during the last year. The website has grown slowly and we have made some amazing contacts. The website manager at Petworth House who are part of The National Trust has put a link to our website on their History Page. They want their visitors to be aware of the camp's existence and although we still control the content they are happy to see it grow. For our Part we are delighted to have their blessing. Our eventual aim is to hand over the site to them hopefully so that it can provide a permanent record of how the Camp grew, how the Polish residents integrated with local families and how they were housed mostly in Sussex to start with but actually have spread across the world.

One of our new contacts is Miles Costello who is a member of The Petworth Society they have similar interests in providing historic and current information relevant to Petworth. We would like to extend our thanks to Miles Costello and the Petworth Society for giving us access to the Hampers green Community Centre for our Picnic lunch which would have been disrupted by the rain. The proceedings started in the park car park at 2.00 pm. and were followed by a hour long walk over the site of the camp. Then the picnic lunch was shared by everyone who attended, the lunch consisted mainly of traditional Polish delicacies and was a great success.

During the next few weeks we will be processing and sharing the photos taken at the picnic and updating this website. I will also be mentioning all the new contacts made during the picnic.

Please watch this space.

 

THE TEAM

To become part of the Team you need to have lived at the Petworth Polish Camp or have access to photographs that your parents have left. Family stories would be welcomed. The idea is to leave something for the archives of Petworth, up to now there is very little information available. All photographs will be looked after and returned to you unharmed once they have been scanned. If you feel that you can contribute to this project please send a email to me on the contact page at the back of this website.

This website was born during a lunchtime gathering of Kids from the Camp at the home of Krystyna and Peter Saunders.

THE LUNCH Thanks to Krystyna & Peter Saunders for hosting the lunch and inspiring this project.
Former residents of the Polish Camp.

From left to right maiden names only at this stage.

Me, Ryszard Starzec: Lydia Stefańska: Stasha Starzec: Krystyna Krawczuk: Zygmund Janiec: Seated Pani Hela Krawczuk. 

The whole group minus Peter Saunders. He took the photo.

Left to right: Darren Carver : Martha Gardner holding her son Reuben Paul Gardner: Lydia Gardner: Stasha Martin: Roger Martin: Krystyna Saunders: Ziggi Janiec: Tina Starzec: Julia Janiec: Ryszard Starzec: Front row: Tonya Carver: Helena Krawczuk (Stefanska) nee Turek.

Stasha and Ziggy

Ziggy was the first to supply a story followed by Krystyna Szczotka who supplied photos only. From them I was able to add text and make her page up. Krystyna Saunders supplied both, and Stasha Martin did the same. I have been asked if stories without photos will be accepted, and yes they will but photos do enhance the readability of them, so please get photos if you can. All contributions will be listed.